In an interview with GK Features Editor Majid Maqbool, senior Congress leader, MP Rajya Sabha and former Union Panchayat Raj Minister, Mani Shankar Aiyar, shares his thoughts about Afzal Guru’s hanging, the need to adopt ‘compassion as a policy’ in Kashmir, role of Jammu & Kashmir Police, AFSPA revocation and the importance of ‘uninterrupted but uninterruptable’ dialogue with Pakistan
What do you mean when you say that Indo-Pak dialogue ‘must not only be uninterrupted but uninterruptable’? How do you see the recent killings of Panchayat representatives? The state government has said that they can’t provide security to all Panches and Sarpanches. |
You have termed Afzal Guru’s hanging as a ‘sad event’. Hasn’t it further alienated people, especially the manner in which he was hanged without informing the family in time? It has alienated me, let alone alienating the people of Kashmir. I don’t think it is right to hang a person for whom the Supreme Court says that this is necessary for salving the collective conscience of country. Since when does hurting the collective conscience become a crime for hanging? So I am very sad that the hanging took place. And I have said so publicly. And if there are adverse consequences for me for saying so, so be it. You have earlier said that ‘we should not be discussing withdrawal of AFSPA, we should be discussing withdrawal of Army and there will be no requirement of AFSPA’. Don't you think by saying that army is opposed to removal of AFSPA, Government of India is trying to exonerate itself from its responsibility as a civilian authority under whom army is supposed to work. Does it not mean that Army is calling the shots in Kashmir? Much of the troubles that have recently taken place in Jammu Kashmir have been by the J&K Police. Who was holding the gun that shot all those boys? It was the J&K police. It has only Jammu, Kashmirians. You have to improve the whole law and order situation and you cannot ask for the army without the same conditions applying in Tamil Nadu as they were in Kashmir. If the army were deployed in Tamil Nadu, there would be AFSPA. The fault is not in AFSPA; the fault is in the deployment of army for civilian law and order purposes. We should have a well trained and ample civil police. Now your J&K police is obviously not well trained, otherwise why were they shooting at young boys. It was not the army that killed them. It was your police. I can understand bringing up AFSPA if you got cases where the army personnel have done wrong. And when they do, it is better to have the AFSPA because an army court marshal takes two months and a civilian court takes twenty years. There have been different roadmaps, Kashmir committees, working groups, interlocutors, but nothing changed on ground and there were no results. Do you think they were more of time-buying exercises to manage the conflict instead of solving the dispute? It breaks my heart… I am very, very distressed that action on the three person committee report is not visible to the Kashmiris and it is not visible to MPs. And in the situation that prevails in Kashmir today, I think we should have vigorously followed up. That I don’t see in evidence. I think we need a very activist, pro-Kashmiri and pro-people program on part of the central and state government. So my own prescription would be that when you see a boy fall down because a bullet has hit him, please don’t think that you hit a terrorist. Please think what would you feel if he was your son or your brother? I think compassion must be the most important component of our policy in Kashmir. If we can win the hearts of the people of Kashmir, we don’t have to worry too much. As John Lenon said, “all you need is love.” Can peace be achieved without justice? In 2010 over 100 people were killed and their families didn’t get any justice? What do you expect me to do… ? While the killing was on, and I was being screamed at by Arnab Goswami and his ilk, I was standing up for you people. Why should anybody know me in Kashmir? But everybody does because I have been openly standing up for your people. I have been openly standing up for you people. Do you think the politicians in India have the understanding of Kashmir issue and are they aware of ground realities in Kashmir? You would have found the answer by now then, if they did. I don’t think so. We must have an uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialogue with civil society in Jammu & Kashmir and with people of Kashmir. We can’t suddenly decide after 65 years that we should have a three-man committee. There should be a permanent committee and they must be permanently based here. And we must permanently talk to them. I don’t see we are adequately interlocuting with the people of Kashmir, particularly those who don’t like us. I think effective diplomacy in Kashmir would be to sit with Geelani even if he won’t let me in his house. I will sit outside his house until he lets me in! After they were elected, Panches and Sarpanches said that their vote was sold as ‘vote for India’ and then they were left on their own and no powers, finances were given to them to execute the public works…. New Delhi can have nothing to do with your Panches. They have not been elected under the constitution; they have been elected under the J&K Panchayat Act. So whatever may be the holes in the performance of Panchayat Raj in JK, Delhi cannot be held responsible. Recently a group of human rights organizations from all over India on their visit to Kashmir sought a permanent United Nations Mission in Kashmir… I am totally opposed to it. The UN has never been an organization for justice. It has always been power plagued. I don’t trust the UN to come and deal with our domestic problems. On the humanitarian front, what have they done about Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan? Why should they be invited? We should talk among ourselves. Why is government of India hesitant to engage with Syed Ali Geelani who says India has forcibly occupied Kashmir? Geelani is welcome to correct his distortions of history. I am more than ready to give history lessons to him as he doesn’t understand the truth. And that is why people of Kashmir have never voted for this failed professor of history. I think if he would apply for a teacher post in history, say in SSM College (sic), he wouldn’t succeed. |
Source: Greater Kashmir